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 Post subject: Very Hot Topic in the US right now
PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 1:59 am 
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is Arizona's SB 1070 which, the short summation is, if a local cop pulls you over and has reason to believe you are in the US illegally, they have the right to ask you to produce documents showing one way or the other. Right now, Arizona is being sued by the ACLU as well as the Federal government for "stepping on their toes" with immigration enforcement.

Frankly, I'm getting tired of hearing about how this is unfair and racist and so on and so on....

Let me tell you of my attempt to gain access to another country:

Arohk and I talk frequently away from this site (we're friends on Facebook too and I've called and talked to him on the phone as well) and we were discussing one of my "foul mood" moments that I was having. That was right around the time of the whole Proposition 8 fuster cluck in California and he was telling me that for the most part, being gay is accepted in Canada, or at least, in his little corner of it. No one really bats an eye at two men or two women holding hands, etc. I thought "Well, cool" and researched some information about possibly immigrating to Canada. I am fed up with how the LGBT community is treated, as well as the citizens of the US in general, and so I started the application process a while ago to possibly make the move to British Columbia.

I went through all of the paper work and the 9 bazillion questions I seemed to have to answer and then submitted it. I sat and waited for a reply and continued on my days. When I finally got word, I had been rejected. Because I don't currently have a job offer, or a spouse, or a partner, or family in Canada, nor can I really prove that I have a "vital skill', my application was rejected. Okay, no problem. I'm still researching stuff on that, I haven't given up.

Now, I can just go across the border with my passport, and wind up staying and be an "illegal", however, that's just not in my future to see the inside of a Canadian holding cell until they deport my butt. Would I break the law by going over and "over staying my welcome" as it were? You bet. Just because it improves MY life doesn't mean it's right. Same with what's happening here. I am all for immigration. Absolutely. What I am completely and totally opposed to is: Your silly butt being here illegally and then expecting to be covered under the Constitution of the US and other such freedoms accorded to the citizens of the United States. Uh.. no. If I go to Mexico and ATTEMPT to do half the crap there that is being done here, I am liable to go to prison for 10 - 15 years.

There are several other countries that have similar policies on illegal immigrants to their country. In some countries, you are considered a spy or accused of espionage (Iran is one country) and subject to prison sentances. And don't go whining to a lawyer in that country that the government is being racist, they don't give a crap, you're there illegally. And don't even get me started on the whole "Press 1 for English, para servicio en Espanol, marke 2." If I got a job in Germany, you better believe I should know German. Same with Italy, France, Sweden, Norway, Finland... What I don't understand is why it is *I* have to learn another language just to be able to communicate with you. My ancestors came to this country, jumped through all the necessary hoops to become citizens with little fuss. Why can't others?

I also remember a while ago, a story in the USA Today about a woman whose father came to the US from a country in Africa, worked to sponsor both his kids to get here. His son was approved, got citizenship, etc. and they were waiting on the process for the daughter. Well, 3 weeks out of her application most likely being approved so she could come to the US, study and gain citizenship, their father falls ill and dies. What happened to her application? Well, because her sponsor died and she hadn't been approved, she would have had to have been sponsored by her brother and wait another 3 - 5 years before knowing if she got approval to come to the US. Her choice? "Screw it, I'll stay here. I really don't want to wait another 3 - 5 years for my application to be re-processed."

Is it fair? Nope, but that's the way the law works. I just wish these bleeding heart crack heads would wake up and realize that it's not fair to people like her to just grant over 11 million illegals US citizenship, when she has to be re-sponsored.

Anyway.... rant over, I'm going back to work to slap some more people around. :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Very Hot Topic in the US right now
PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 3:16 am 
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Hear! Hear! or is it Here! Here! not sure. Anyway, my mother was a German war bride, she came in through Ellis Island and my dad was in the US Army and met her over there right after the war. Yea, the 2nd world ward, I'm that old. Okay, she did her stuff to become a citizen, she memorized things, studied things, and then swore with 30 some other people to uphold this country. Just to find out that years before, my dad's family also immigrated here from Germany and did the Ellis Island thing. So they became US citizens. I was born in the USA, actually on an Army installation. I became a citizen automatically by birth. However, my husband and I were stationed in Germany and we had a daughter and she has dual citizenship. She was born in Heidelberg, Germany on a military base and therefore was considered to be a US citizen by birth to US citizens born abroad.
Okay, to make a long story short, I agree with immigration, just not the way it's being done. Don't come here and not having contributed to our countries economy expect to be supported by it. That's my only gripe.
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 Post subject: Re: Very Hot Topic in the US right now
PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:35 am 
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I just have to shake my head at the way immagration works, I am total agreement with you two, the problem I have is if you immagrate to a country you should follow their laws and customs, we would have to do that if we moved to another country for example not to sound racist or anything but we have had east indians come here and join our military and they were allowed to wear their turbins while in uniform our government even went as far as making them special ones all because they said it was against their religous right, But any other member of the forces no mater what faith you follow are not allowed to have any religious items on their uniforms or have a necklace with say the catolic cross outside their uniform. It just makes me mad to see how we are made to look like the ones who are treated like were the immigrents when we were born here. Thats all I have to say on the subject for now.

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 Post subject: Re: Very Hot Topic in the US right now
PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:43 pm 
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When it comes to armed forces, I don't see any reason to adapt uniforms or conduct or somesuch; I consider it a privilege, moreso than a right, to, ya know, kill/get killed horribly. However I do consider it a right to have a place to live, but I'm somewhat unsure when it comes to immigration. I guess it all boils down to wether or not land should be own-able.

I can get behind disliking illegal immigrants. They do drain on the economy, and present a number of security/crime issues, but I also believe that it should be easy to move from country to country, to live where you want to. With immigration processes being what they are these days, I have a hard time blaming people for wanting a better life and border-jumping because the legal pathways simply don't work. In my all but humble opinion, this is simply a foreseeable consequence of the current U.S. immigration policy, and I believe the best way to remedy it would be to revise the current, outdated legislature and give some more options to prospective immigrants. An alternative would be mines. Lots and lots of mines. (mines here being a euphemism for any number of border-control tactics to force people to use the legal pathways).
Also, while accepting current illegals as proper citizens sets a bad precedent of overlooking crimes, it makes good sense from an economic and long-term viewpoint; they will start paying taxes, and becoming citizens may help open some paths for people whose only other option is crime. In the long term, one of the things you would want the least in your country is for an illegal alien subculture to take root, as this can have any number of unforeseeable consequences, with petty crime quite possibly being the best outcome.

So basically, U.S. politicians are stuck between a rock and an angry mob of unified republican and democrat voters. Just about anything they could do to resolve the matter will, inevitably, be taken poorly by the general public I'm afraid.

Post scriptum, isn't clicking that 'Spell Check' button supposed to do something? O.o

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 Post subject: Re: Very Hot Topic in the US right now
PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:52 pm 
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Post scriptum, isn't clicking that 'Spell Check' button supposed to do something? O.o



Eye halve a spelling chequer
It came with my pea sea
It plainly marques four my revue
Miss steaks eye kin knot sea.

Eye strike a key and type a word
And weight four it two say
Weather eye am wrong oar write
It shows me strait a weigh.

As soon as a mist ache is maid
It nose bee fore two long
And eye can put the error rite
Its rare lea ever wrong.

Eye have run this poem threw it
I am shore your pleased two no
Its letter perfect awl the weigh
My chequer tolled me sew.

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 Post subject: Re: Very Hot Topic in the US right now
PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:47 pm 
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Post scriptum, isn't clicking that 'Spell Check' button supposed to do something? O.o



Eye halve a spelling chequer
It came with my pea sea
It plainly marques four my revue
Miss steaks eye kin knot sea.

Eye strike a key and type a word
And weight four it two say
Weather eye am wrong oar write
It shows me strait a weigh.

As soon as a mist ache is maid
It nose bee fore two long
And eye can put the error rite
Its rare lea ever wrong.

Eye have run this poem threw it
I am shore your pleased two no
Its letter perfect awl the weigh
My chequer tolled me sew.


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Yes, the checker is supposed to work, but I think it had an update/bug that I haven't had time to figure out a fix for yet. :? One of these days.. Sorry!

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 Post subject: Re: Very Hot Topic in the US right now
PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:35 am 
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Cute poem, I actually had to concentrate on it to read it. :clap: Mab


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 Post subject: Re: Very Hot Topic in the US right now
PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:07 am 
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I think the thing I seriously resent is basically *I* am required to learn Mexican (this isn't Spanish folks, just like most of us don't speak "Queen's English" we speak "American") just to order at McDonald's, Burger King, etc.

I was out to dinner with my step dad one night at Golden Corral (all you can eat steak house) and I told the cook I how I wanted my steak. This guy actually had the balls to tell me I didn't want it like that. After I insisted, he turned to his co-worker and said something to him in Mexican. My step-dad (who is 6'1 blonde haired and blue eyed) responded back to him in his native tongue and was pretty pissed about whatever was said. He never told me what was said, but I do know that a complaint was lodged against the cook.

If you're gonna insult me, please do it in MY language and to my face. THAT is my biggest pet peeve. Of course, the most entertaining thing:

You want to stop this whole "Press 1 for English" thing? Get some French Canadians or Germans together and have them start suing every major corporation that only offers English / Spanish as language options and then watch what happens. Granted, you need a TON of money for this, but it would be fun to watch.

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 Post subject: Re: Very Hot Topic in the US right now
PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:22 am 
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While everyone is bitching about another culture on here, let's remember that this is a very public forums meaning that everyone can read it. I don't mind that you're voicing your opinions, but don't get nasty. No matter what someone's nationality is, they are still people and as Pagans we should set a good example of ourselves by not being prejudice against anyone.

Think about their side: They come to our country for a better life for their families, just like our (well, some of our) ancestors did when they came over from Europe.

Thanks guys. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Very Hot Topic in the US right now
PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:18 am 
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My mother emmigrated from Holland with her family when she was in her teens. They didn't speak english. My family LEARNED to integrate into their new nation. They became Americans. They learned english. This didn't mean that they rejected their heritage, they just made an attempt to be full citizens of their new nation.

My biggest irritation is that this particular group of immigrants wants to make the country move to accomodate THEM, instead of the other way around. We have immigrants from all over the globe... asians, africans, euopeans, etc etc.... but it appears that a sizable portion of one group wants special consideration.

I'm not against immigration, my family did it. But they did it the right way, and they melted into the culture. The problem is that the "great melting pot" isn't melting anymore. They want to be taught in spanish, take their driver's test in spanish, they want the road signs to be in spanish... want to do their business and their shopping in spanish.... fly their homeland's flag as if they aren't really americans, but rather have allegiances to another country first and just happen to be living here because they get paid more.

When I was stationed in Germany, I made a full attempt to learn German because I felt it was the polite thing to do.

Other immigrant cultures have often made their own little islands of culture within america, we had "china towns" and "little italys", "pennsylvania dutch" and so on.... but I think they weren't as resistant to integrating into the greater american society as the current influx of latinos.

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